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Leon Davis

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I would include Moses in the list of the dead; who is a great religious founder
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J. Brian Waddington
Feb 14, 2014
 
 
nice but I miss the point. Are you just slamming what you apparently do not have an understanding of or are you trying to make a serious thought out point?
Leon Davis
Feb 14, 2014
 
 
+J. Brian Waddington I'm trying to make a serious thought out point?
J. Brian Waddington
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alright I am a lousy typist. 'Serious thought OR point'. Moses founded no religion. The Prophet never claimed divinity nor did his followers. Depending upon the particular school you ask the Buddha did or did not survive death but Nirvana is all about breaking the wheel of life. As for Jesus it is the same deal it all depends upon the school you follow.

So I ask again are you trying to make a serious point?
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Frank Warwick
Feb 14, 2014
 
 
If he is here, are you saying there is a guy walking round that is over 2000 years old? ... really ...
Gladys Brown
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Amen +Leon Davis. He is risen indeed!!!
Tris Lashmar
Feb 14, 2014
 
 
+Gladys Brown what proof of that do you have? Or that he existed at all?
Gladys Brown
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Hey +Tris Lashmar, I am the one who believes in him. Therefore I don't have to try to proof His existence but,  you on the other evidently do not believe in Jesus. So, I put the question to you, What proof do you have that Jesus did not exist?
J. Brian Waddington
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+Tris Lashmar the historical existence of Jesus has been accepted by most academics for a very long time. I believe the question you are addressing is the question of his divinity and that of course is a question of faith. 
William Matar
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Glory to Jesus Christ
Anthony Davis
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Love this👍
William Matar
Feb 14, 2014
 
 
+Tris Lashmar Do you have real proof in all the mysteries of Universe... ?? Here it is a question of Faith and Love not only a matter of physics and proof ... to see this and believe.. you should not be blind
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So true,well done,simple and to the point, nothing but Praise!
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Moses was not a religious founder, he was an obedient servant of Almighty G-d.
Hen G-d came down on the mountain, the people were afraid and they asked for Moses to speak to them instead.
Moses spoke,but not of his own.
Frank Warwick
Feb 14, 2014
 
 
I am just trying to get a handle on the logic of some of these comments. So most of these references are from the book that Emperor Constantine commissioned and the first gathering of its works to be considered canon weren't put together until 397AD.

From what I understand is that this was 350+ after Jesus died so there where no eye witnesses. Additionally I would find it hard to believe that he was anything more than a smart, caring and intelligent man but still only a man. The guy understood how we should treat each other, you know, ‘turn the other cheek’, ‘do unto others’, etc. but only a man. If he was reborn it is in belief of concept only, no one dies for a few days and comes back to life especially back in those days. This a great story and a recycled one that that the Egyptians used 2000 years before for Rar, the similarities are just unbelievable.

I am not truing to piss anyone off here I am just looking at the facts and this is how it falls when you do.
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J. Brian Waddington
Feb 14, 2014
 
 
+Frank Warwick  you seriously need to get an education dealing with the history of Christianity and perhaps logic.

Constantine did not commission the first gathering of canonical books for Christianity. That honour falls to  Marcion and it occurred hundreds of years before Constantine was alive.

You are not looking at the facts, you are repeating the ignorance of others or perhaps creating your own.

Please go and get educated.
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Frank Warwick
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
Hi +J. Brian Waddington In your highly educated, grand and ever expanding wisdom that you have allowed us to hear as you talk down apon us all from atop of your lofty and obvously high throne (it must get cold up there), you could be referring to the completion of the biblical document authoring (http://www.bible-reviews.com/charts_timeline.html) completed no later than the 2nd century.
Maybe you can educate us on this subject.

Note that I wrote " the first gathering of its works"
but, hey, I "seriously need to get an education dealing with the history of Christianity and perhaps logic." 
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J. Brian Waddington
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+Frank Warwick yes you do. The first gathering of its work is a nonsensical statement. If i knew what subject you were referring to I just might be able to give you some accurate historical facts.

Rather than the evangelical page you sent me to might I suggest: http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies .

These two courses will give you a solid grounding in how the historic canon came about. 
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Tris Lashmar
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+J. Brian Waddington which academics? Because after Jesus supposedly was alive, NOBODY mentions him for over 200 years.

Bit odd if he was so amazing and the son of god etc. No?
Tris Lashmar
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+Gladys Brown you are the one who believes in it and makes the wild claims, so you dont have to prove it?

You have that the wrong way around, you make wild claims you must back them up, in every walk of life.

The bible is easily disproved. Dinosaurs. There, done.
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J. Brian Waddington
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+Tris Lashmar as i said go get some education. You are simply embarrassing yourself with your bizarre claims.
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+J. Brian Waddington bizarre claims, like a magic man that was the son of god but also really god at the same time came to earth and let himself be killed to somehow save us from himself?

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J. Brian Waddington
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+Tris Lashmar obviously your picture shows nothing above your nose because you have had a lobotomy. Go get some education. Study about a Jew named Paul who after the death of Jesus mentions him quite a lot in the first century. Perhaps you could read Josephus? Now this is my last post because I have neither the time nor the inclination to educate you.
Tris Lashmar
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+J. Brian Waddington I dont need "educating" in fables and fairy tales. That wouldn't be an education but a brain washing.
Fabio Hirt
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
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john karpf
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Jesus Christ - Still Imaginary.
Leon Davis
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+J. Brian Waddington thank you for comments, the serious point I was trying to make is Jesus is different from the rest because he is the only one to rise from the dead because he have power over death!, as to your point about Moses, since he wrote the Torah which is the bedrock of the Jewish faith I would say he can be call a founder

+Tris Lashmar and +Frank Warwick  thank yall for your comment also, the fact of history shows his disciples claimed Jesus rose from the dead which they were witness to, they all died horribly for telling this truth, all they had to do to save their own lives was say it a lie "we made it up"

So it all boil down to is, they (the eye witnesses) either lying or telling the truth!

+Gladys Brown +William Matar +Anthony Davis thanks yall for your comments, Peace and Love

+Fabio Hirt thanks  for your comment, you have a unique point of view!

+john karpf there nothing wrong in imagination, it can become a precursor to a beautiful dream that comes true as in reality!

       
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Tris Lashmar
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+Leon Davis do you know the story of Horus?

Another divinity, born to a virgin, his birth signalled by a star in the sky, walked on water, performed miracles, healed the sick, was crucified and died, 3 days later was resurrected.

The name?

HORUS.

5000 years ago, pre dating Jesus by 3000 years.
_what a coincidence!_
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Tris Lashmar
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+Leon Davis or Mithra?

There once was a divinity, who was born on the 25th of December. A star in the sky denoted the birth. Born of a virgin, and had 12 deciples. Died for three days and was resurrected.

The name?

MITHRA. From 3200 years ago, predating Jesus by 1200 years.
_What a coincidence!_
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Leon Davis
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+Tris Lashmar no eye witness to Horus, also the sources of that tale is unreliable, Jesus on the other hand had eye witness account not just from his disciples but 500 here and 300 there and the source from his story are the most reliable in history according to the most respected historians in academia believers and non believers      
Tris Lashmar
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
It's not just Horus. Despite eye witnesses do you not find it odd that the story has many identical parts?

What about Dyonisus?

Born 25th December, turned water into wine, performed miracles, born to a virgin. Predates Jesus by ~800 years. A bit common these themes huh?
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Leon Davis
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+Tris Lashmar it not odd at all once you understand the ways of the Devil, see http://lastdaywatchers.blogspot.com/2007/07/6-insurrections-insurgency.html?view=magazine 
john karpf
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
Except of course there were dozens of gods who came back from death in their mythology and they all pre-date the "supposed" jesus like Horus:Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus’ mother “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” An angel tells Jesus’ father to: “Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.” Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. Was crucified, descended into Hell; resurrected after three days.
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Leon Davis
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+john karpf no eye witness to Horus, also the sources of that tale is unreliable, Jesus on the other hand had eye witness account not just from his disciples but 500 here and 300 there and the source from his story are the most reliable in history according to the most respected historians in academia believers and nonbelievers

Also the fact of history shows his disciples claimed Jesus rose from the dead which they were witness to, they all died horribly for telling this truth, all they had to do to save their own lives was say it a lie "we made it up"

So it all boil down to is, they (the eye witnesses) either lying or telling the truth!
      
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john karpf
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+Leon Davis You don't know if there were eyewitnesses that saw anything about Jesus after his death, indeed if he ever existed. All you know is that someone wrote in a book that there were eyewitnesses. The "eyewitnesses' themselves didn't write anything. You are trusting the guy who wrote that there were eyewitnesses, you are not trusting the accounts of any eyewitnesses. There is no real historical evidence that jesus of nazareth existed as a person. There is no real evidence that any gods including yehweh ever existed. You might want to start with that one before you start with the myth of jesus.Because if there is no god, there's no reason for jesus. Because god is the one who condemned us and needed to save us from his condemnation by killing himself and then asking his supplicants to conduct ritual cannibalism and ritual vampirism. as a sign that they accept his sacrifice. There are a number of sacrifices in history, but if jesus was resurrected then it's no real sacrifice is it? If you lose something, you don't get it back, so jesus never really lost his life, he just had a shitty weekend.
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+john karpf you are simply wrong. There are non biblical writings about Jesus. They do not prove nor attempt to prove that he was the son of God but they do indicate he existed. here is a good place to start if you would care to look at the proof of my statement. http://carm.org/non-biblical-accounts-new-testament-events-andor-people .
john karpf
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
I'll make a deal with you. I'll read that if you read Nailed by David Fitzgerald where he pretty much proves that jesus never existed:
http://smile.amazon.com/Nailed-Christian-Myths-Jesus-Existed/dp/0557709911/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1392507175&sr=1-2&keywords=nailed
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Sorry but I live in the Philippines and that is not available at the local bookstore. +john karpf please understand that i am not arguing that the Jesus the anointed of G-d and son of the virgin existed. I am simply stating that a man named Jesus who was so remarkable that 2000 years later you are arguing over him existed and that there is ample historic evidence to support my belief. 
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J. Brian Waddington
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
Quest for the historical Jesus
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This article is about the history of academic Jesus research. See Historicity of Jesus regarding his existence and Historical Jesus about portraits of his life. For the book by Albert Schweitzer see The Quest of the Historical Jesus.
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The quest for the historical Jesus is the academic effort to use historical methods to provide a historical portrait of Jesus.[1] Since the 18th century, three separate scholarly quests for the historical Jesus have taken place, each with distinct characteristics and based on different research criteria, which were often developed during each specific phase.[2][3][4]
These quests were distinguished from previous approaches in that they applied the historical method to the study of biblical narratives. Textual analysis of biblical sources had taken place for centuries, but these quests introduced new methods and specific methodologies to determine the historical validity of their conclusions.[5]
After more than a century, the enthusiasm shown during the first quest diminished after the 1906 criticism of Albert Schweitzer, who pointed out various shortcomings in the approaches used at the time. The second quest started in 1953 and introduced a number of new techniques but reached a plateau in the 1970s.[6] In the 1980s, another quest started as a number of scholars gradually began to introduce new research ideas.[2][7] In 1992 the term third quest was coined to characterize the new research approaches which have continued to date.[6][8]
While there is widespread scholarly agreement on the existence of Jesus,[9][10] and a basic consensus on the general outline of his life,[11] the portraits of Jesus constructed in the quests have often differed from each other, and from the image portrayed in the gospel accounts.[12][13] There are overlapping attributes among the portraits and pairs of scholars which may agree on some attributes, but the same scholars may differ on other attributes and there is no single portrait of the historical Jesus that satisfies most scholars.[14][15][16]
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Tris Lashmar
Feb 15, 2014
 
 
+J. Brian Waddington as I mentioned to you before, those "whiteness" accounts are all 100 years or more AFTE